Comments on: Bad Actors? Pelosi and McGovern http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/ Hot spot for Republican, Conservative and Libertarian Hosts & Fans of Blog Talk Radio Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:58:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: David M http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17358 David M Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:17:12 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17358 The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/07/web-reconnaissance-for-07112008.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 07/11/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often. The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 07/11/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.

]]> By: Pete http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17361 Pete Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:14:24 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17361 Media Lizzy, You ask many compelling and provocative questions here, but you (and your cited sources) fail to truly answer them. Instead, it seems the purpose of this article is merely to float some harsh charges to plant a seed of doubt regarding Pelosi's leadership. Regarding your cited sources, you take their fairly innocuous contents and "extrapolate" a wildly fanciful tale of sedition from them. To me (and it seems the entirety of the mainstream media) these douments only point to the fact that Pelosi and McGovern were ardently interested in recovering hostages. Likewise, any claims that Pelosi's trip to Syria violated the Logan act are specious at best. As speaker in the house, she weilds a level of power and influence second to the president himself. To conclude that her official actions are somehow "without the authority of the United States" is without merit. In conclusion, I think the only crime you could charge Speaker Pelosi with is DwL (Driving while Liberal). Media Lizzy,

You ask many compelling and provocative questions here, but you (and your cited sources) fail to truly answer them. Instead, it seems the purpose of this article is merely to float some harsh charges to plant a seed of doubt regarding Pelosi’s leadership.

Regarding your cited sources, you take their fairly innocuous contents and “extrapolate” a wildly fanciful tale of sedition from them. To me (and it seems the entirety of the mainstream media) these douments only point to the fact that Pelosi and McGovern were ardently interested in recovering hostages.

Likewise, any claims that Pelosi’s trip to Syria violated the Logan act are specious at best. As speaker in the house, she weilds a level of power and influence second to the president himself. To conclude that her official actions are somehow “without the authority of the United States” is without merit.

In conclusion, I think the only crime you could charge Speaker Pelosi with is DwL (Driving while Liberal).

]]> By: Media Lizzy http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17362 Media Lizzy Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:27:21 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17362 Thanks, Pete. The post is meant to ask the provocative questions. And given the language of the Logan Act, her trip to Syria certainly is in the grey area. On the Columbia situation: Interpol authenticated the documents and computer data seized from Raul Reyes --- it's important to ask. Pelosi & Congressional Democrats have been very aggressive in pursuing Administration officials for even the tiniest of infraction - real or imagined. Let's look at fairness in governance. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Thanks, Pete.

The post is meant to ask the provocative questions. And given the language of the Logan Act, her trip to Syria certainly is in the grey area. On the Columbia situation: Interpol authenticated the documents and computer data seized from Raul Reyes — it’s important to ask. Pelosi & Congressional Democrats have been very aggressive in pursuing Administration officials for even the tiniest of infraction - real or imagined.

Let’s look at fairness in governance. What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.

]]> By: Pete http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17363 Pete Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:34:21 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17363 Media Lizzy, Why isn't the Republican leadership pursuing these angles of attack? They have access to all of the procedural techniques the Democrats had when that party was in the minority. Media Lizzy,

Why isn’t the Republican leadership pursuing these angles of attack? They have access to all of the procedural techniques the Democrats had when that party was in the minority.

]]> By: Media Lizzy http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17364 Media Lizzy Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:40:10 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17364 Pete: Because they are into incumbent-protection, taking a bold stance isn't something they have shown much willingness to accomplish. Unless and until, average Americans stand up and demand leadership - before, during and after elections - the status quo will remain intact. I want folks to start asking the questions, get informed, engage with leaders of both parties. Shake it up a little. The folks in Congress work for <i>We the People</i>, not the other way around. Lizzy Pete:

Because they are into incumbent-protection, taking a bold stance isn’t something they have shown much willingness to accomplish. Unless and until, average Americans stand up and demand leadership - before, during and after elections - the status quo will remain intact.

I want folks to start asking the questions, get informed, engage with leaders of both parties. Shake it up a little. The folks in Congress work for We the People, not the other way around.

Lizzy

]]> By: Karl http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17365 Karl Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:52:41 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17365 You expected different from the leftist anti-American wing of the Democratic (Socialist) party when they gained power? Please read Marx, Engels, and Lenin. You won't be surprised the next time. You expected different from the leftist anti-American wing of the Democratic (Socialist) party when they gained power? Please read Marx, Engels, and Lenin. You won’t be surprised the next time.

]]> By: Snooper http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17366 Snooper Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:11:37 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17366 It is clear that the Leftinistra will color this turd a pretty color but the fact remains...a turd will remain a turd no matter how many coats of paint are applied. Also, one cannot pick up a turd by the clean end. Pelosi's actions are directly violating the Logan Act as well as the Smith Act. The reason the GOP/RNC will not "check this out" is because, coming from a Grunt, cowards. It is clear that the Leftinistra will color this turd a pretty color but the fact remains…a turd will remain a turd no matter how many coats of paint are applied. Also, one cannot pick up a turd by the clean end.

Pelosi’s actions are directly violating the Logan Act as well as the Smith Act.

The reason the GOP/RNC will not “check this out” is because, coming from a Grunt, cowards.

]]> By: Jim Lee http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17371 Jim Lee Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:58:49 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17371 Pelosi has been dramatically non-partisan in her dealings with the illegalities of the Bush administration, but now her hand has been forced by Kucinich and the International Red Cross, which may file war crimes charges against the US for its policy of torture. President Bush has gotten a pass from the Democratic Congress, which just wants to get to November without distracting from the elections, but that may no longer be possible. The American public and the world community deserve better oversight of this renegade bunch which uses the executive as a personal weapon. Pelosi has been dramatically non-partisan in her dealings with the illegalities of the Bush administration, but now her hand has been forced by Kucinich and the International Red Cross, which may file war crimes charges against the US for its policy of torture. President Bush has gotten a pass from the Democratic Congress, which just wants to get to November without distracting from the elections, but that may no longer be possible. The American public and the world community deserve better oversight of this renegade bunch which uses the executive as a personal weapon.

]]> By: JohnQ http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17372 JohnQ Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:48:48 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17372 Is she failing to transend Party Politics? What a stupid question! The Democrats and the Republicans have done a fine job of joining together to destroy the Constitution and our Bill of Rights. I will NEVER vote for Any Republican OR Democrat for Any office EVER again! Is she failing to transend Party Politics? What a stupid question! The Democrats and the Republicans have done a fine job of joining together to destroy the Constitution and our Bill of Rights. I will NEVER vote for Any Republican OR Democrat for Any office EVER again!

]]> By: Felipe Palacio http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17374 Felipe Palacio Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:41:58 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17374 There must be something very wrong when the leader of our Congress who has a 96% DISAPPROVAL, with her faithful ultra-liberal cronies, is able to maintain the Republicans, and Democrats too who have no fortitude, at bay and cowered in dark corners to avoid notice and afraid to cross swords with her. Where are those congressmen, of both parties, who during election hit hard on the podium with promises to look after the People. Instead, they sheepishly line up to sign whatever she asks them. There must be something very wrong when the leader of our Congress who has a 96% DISAPPROVAL, with her faithful ultra-liberal cronies, is able to maintain the Republicans, and Democrats too who have no fortitude, at bay and cowered in dark corners to avoid notice and afraid to cross swords with her.
Where are those congressmen, of both parties, who during election hit hard on the podium with promises to look after the People. Instead, they sheepishly line up to sign whatever she asks them.

]]> By: Jim http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17375 Jim Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:47:07 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17375 There is one huge common factor in democrats and republicans...they have both done nothing to help this country and are well on their way to ruining it. I just want one person to stand up and admit they've been screwing up and they want to fix it...It's never gonna happen until WE THE PEOPLE start standing up and demanding it. This country is a mess because of BOTH parties..... There is one huge common factor in democrats and republicans…they have both done nothing to help this country and are well on their way to ruining it. I just want one person to stand up and admit they’ve been screwing up and they want to fix it…It’s never gonna happen until WE THE PEOPLE start standing up and demanding it. This country is a mess because of BOTH parties…..

]]> By: Armando Soria http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17377 Armando Soria Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:02:57 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17377 When Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the house, she stated that she will get us out from being depended on foreign oil, well the price of gas back then was in the low $2dollar range. She is the same when she was in Calif. I never voted for her, Just look what she and all the rest of her party have done to Calif, and now My United States When Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the house, she stated that she will get us out from being depended on foreign oil, well the price of gas back then was in the low $2dollar range. She is the same when she was in Calif. I never voted for her, Just look what she and all the rest of her party have done to Calif, and now My United States

]]> By: ohioguy7 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17381 ohioguy7 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:51:09 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17381 media Lizzy: yet another right wing smear artist. The Republicans meet with this or that bad guy or friends and it's ok; as soon as a Democrat does it it's apparently treason. But I think when the McCain campaign actually says that a terrorist attack on the US would be good for them, that is TREASON ! Hang the whole BS Bus [polite torture first please]. Bush-Cheney and now McCain, have been responsible for this stupid war. ONLY 16 US intelligence agencies have said it has INCREASED hatred for the US and thereofore terrorism! Terrorist incidents are UP 700% since the Republicans started this wasteful war [and diverted troops/supplies, from the real war in Afgan, yet another critical blunder !] The Republican party leadership is guilty for the 34,000 dead and wounded US troops in Iraq. Guilty of WEAKENING the US dollar, economy, and military [so say US Generals]. AND let's not forget that they were in total control of the White House and Congress for 6 years, and did nothing about alternative energy [or even their new mantra, new drilling, although the oil firms already have the rights to drill on an area the size of Indiana and Ohio, yet refuse to do so???] The entire US airlines industry has just said it is facing almost total failure due to oil speculators and calls for Congress to immediately investigate further; they will probably find that just like with Bush's friends at the failed Enron, the BS behind this situation is wide and deep. media Lizzy: yet another right wing smear artist. The Republicans meet with this or that bad guy or friends and it’s ok; as soon as a Democrat does it it’s apparently treason.

But I think when the McCain campaign actually says that a terrorist attack on the US would be good for them, that is TREASON ! Hang the whole BS Bus [polite torture first please].

Bush-Cheney and now McCain, have been responsible for this stupid war. ONLY 16 US intelligence agencies have said it has INCREASED hatred for the US and thereofore terrorism! Terrorist incidents are UP 700% since the Republicans started this wasteful war [and diverted troops/supplies, from the real war in Afgan, yet another critical blunder !]

The Republican party leadership is guilty for the 34,000 dead and wounded US troops in Iraq. Guilty of WEAKENING the US dollar, economy, and military [so say US Generals]. AND let’s not forget that they were in total control of the White House and Congress for 6 years, and did nothing about alternative energy [or even their new mantra, new drilling, although the oil firms already have the rights to drill on an area the size of Indiana and Ohio, yet refuse to do so???]

The entire US airlines industry has just said it is facing almost total failure due to oil speculators and calls for Congress to immediately investigate further; they will probably find that just like with Bush’s friends at the failed Enron, the BS behind this situation is wide and deep.

]]> By: Media Lizzy http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17383 Media Lizzy Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:28:16 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17383 OhioGuy: Thank you!!!! "<i>right wing smear artist</i>" - aren't you creative! Oceans of partisan love... <strong><i>Media Lizzy</strong></i> OhioGuy:

Thank you!!!! “right wing smear artist” - aren’t you creative!

Oceans of partisan love… Media Lizzy

]]> By: linamarta http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17384 linamarta Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:38:55 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17384 It does seem that in two ways, you are against fact finding and information gathering. You do not seem to like what our representatives may be doing as regular routine gathering of on the scene information rather than relying on political hoo haas that may be a bit glossy. This is called checking what is actually going on and getting the facts straight. The other way that you seem to be against this process is in making your own assumptions that some thing more is going on based on little fact finding on your part. I am bothered by people who jump to conclusions with little information and am glad that our representatives are being more thorough than you are to come to your conclusions about them! I am not so bothered by your allegations because they seem to be based on next to nothing. I hope you do not run for an elected office. Best wishes gathering information in the future. It does seem that in two ways, you are against fact finding and information gathering. You do not seem to like what our representatives may be doing as regular routine gathering of on the scene information rather than relying on political hoo haas that may be a bit glossy. This is called checking what is actually going on and getting the facts straight. The other way that you seem to be against this process is in making your own assumptions that some thing more is going on based on little fact finding on your part.
I am bothered by people who jump to conclusions with little information and am glad that our representatives are being more thorough than you are to come to your conclusions about them! I am not so bothered by your allegations because they seem to be based on next to nothing. I hope you do not run for an elected office. Best wishes gathering information in the future.

]]> By: Media Lizzy http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17385 Media Lizzy Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:50:32 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17385 So, linamarta - Interpol's authentication isn't good enough for you? I am all for fact-finding. I would just feel more confident in the information if it was verified by an independent source. Certainly, Speaker Pelosi and Representative McGovern should be afforded every opportunity to present evidence of their innocence. Especially if Columbia's Senator Piedad Cordoba is taking liberties with their words, deeds, or intentions that are based not in fact, but on lies. I think US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald is a fair minded fellow, I'm confident he could get the job done. Et tu? So, linamarta - Interpol’s authentication isn’t good enough for you?

I am all for fact-finding. I would just feel more confident in the information if it was verified by an independent source. Certainly, Speaker Pelosi and Representative McGovern should be afforded every opportunity to present evidence of their innocence. Especially if Columbia’s Senator Piedad Cordoba is taking liberties with their words, deeds, or intentions that are based not in fact, but on lies.

I think US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald is a fair minded fellow, I’m confident he could get the job done. Et tu?

]]> By: Rider http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17388 Rider Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:53:11 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17388 First, to ohioguy7, so you think if we just left Iraq alone, and didn't fight radical Islam there, it wouldn't be on your doorstep within a few years? They don't care where we are in the world, they want to spread radical Islam by any means necessary. Whether its by force, or just through immigration and getting enough of their people into a country to influence policy (like England and France), they want to spread Islam throughout the world. England is considering allowing aspects of Sharia law, such as the marrying of first cousins. Don't know what Sharia law is? Look it up, I guarantee you won't like it. In Scotland, local Muslims are in an uproar. Why? Because a local police department put a picture of their new police dog, a 6 week old puppy, on a public information postcard. Because dogs are "ritually unclean." You want to deal with garbage like that in Ohio? Fine, then we'll just stop fighting radical Islam, and you'll get your wish soon enough. And for linamarta, you want to talk about fact-finding? Find some facts on your savior Obama, and you'll find out that he's the most leftist, Marxist, Communist, and Socialist candidate for president from a major party that America has ever seen. But you all just follow along, oblivious to the facts, because he's for "change, hope, and the future." Change into what? You just might get your wish, and I'm gonna bet you won't like it. First, to ohioguy7, so you think if we just left Iraq alone, and didn’t fight radical Islam there, it wouldn’t be on your doorstep within a few years? They don’t care where we are in the world, they want to spread radical Islam by any means necessary. Whether its by force, or just through immigration and getting enough of their people into a country to influence policy (like England and France), they want to spread Islam throughout the world. England is considering allowing aspects of Sharia law, such as the marrying of first cousins. Don’t know what Sharia law is? Look it up, I guarantee you won’t like it. In Scotland, local Muslims are in an uproar. Why? Because a local police department put a picture of their new police dog, a 6 week old puppy, on a public information postcard. Because dogs are “ritually unclean.” You want to deal with garbage like that in Ohio? Fine, then we’ll just stop fighting radical Islam, and you’ll get your wish soon enough. And for linamarta, you want to talk about fact-finding? Find some facts on your savior Obama, and you’ll find out that he’s the most leftist, Marxist, Communist, and Socialist candidate for president from a major party that America has ever seen. But you all just follow along, oblivious to the facts, because he’s for “change, hope, and the future.” Change into what? You just might get your wish, and I’m gonna bet you won’t like it.

]]> By: Terry Cady http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17389 Terry Cady Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:54:34 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17389 If the only reason oil is so expensive is because of speculative investing,why dont the left wing nut jobs find out who is one of the biggest speculators of all time.George Sorros ring any bells? If the only reason oil is so expensive is because of speculative investing,why dont the left wing nut jobs find out who is one of the biggest speculators of all time.George Sorros ring any bells?

]]> By: richard h http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17400 richard h Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:46:36 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17400 Why ask such an obvious and rhetorical question. Does a bear s___ in the woods? would have been equally as relevant. Why ask such an obvious and rhetorical question.
Does a bear s___ in the woods? would have been equally as relevant.

]]> By: Bobber http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17401 Bobber Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:47:23 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17401 Pelosi is a traitor and should be arrested, tried, found guilty and punished. Liberalism is a clear and present danger to western civilization and must be stamped out before it causes the West to fall. Pelosi is a traitor and should be arrested, tried, found guilty and punished. Liberalism is a clear and present danger to western civilization and must be stamped out before it causes the West to fall.

]]> By: Michael http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17427 Michael Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:59:13 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17427 Hmm I can see you lean far right in your reporting, One the Speaker has th right to meet with anyone she wishes , Last time I chaecked America was a free country regardless of the actios of Bush and company. Also you fell to mention the Rep. McGovern was speaking to the FARC at a time whenmany others were doing so inhopes of getting hostages released, including american hostages, How mch do you really even know about Colombia? I thnk your type of polticics is what is destroying America Hmm I can see you lean far right in your reporting, One the Speaker has th right to meet with anyone she wishes , Last time I chaecked America was a free country regardless of the actios of Bush and company. Also you fell to mention the Rep. McGovern was speaking to the FARC at a time whenmany others were doing so inhopes of getting hostages released, including american hostages, How mch do you really even know about Colombia? I thnk your type of polticics is what is destroying America

]]> By: Media Lizzy http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17431 Media Lizzy Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:13:52 +0000 http://headingright.com/2008/07/11/bad-actors-pelosi-and-mcgovern/#comment-17431 Michael- And I think your disregard for the rule of law when it comes to Speaker Pelosi is just the sort of politics that destroys confidence in our government. The Logan Act and the Smith Act matter. Speaker Pelosi is not above the law. <i><strong>---Media Lizzy</i></strong> Michael-

And I think your disregard for the rule of law when it comes to Speaker Pelosi is just the sort of politics that destroys confidence in our government. The Logan Act and the Smith Act matter. Speaker Pelosi is not above the law.

—Media Lizzy

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